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“Inside Edition” is coming up to shoot a story

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Al Jazeera was important, as was Coast to Coast AM in some ways, along with BBC (four times), the Conversation (650,000 readers), and numbers of others, but this will be the biggest fish so far. For the first time, the Worldwide Hum will be discussed on a major evening American show in a serious, scientific, and credible way. Their viewership is over four million people per evening, and all it will take is for a single person in that group who has the connections and gravitas to finally push our project into a university or government laboratory. When that happens, this scientific riddle will soon be solved.

There’s a lot riding on this one. Wish me luck.


37 Comments

  1. Eileen M Bowie says:

    Wow, good luck! And, get ready for an avalanche of hearers and other special people. Eileen

  2. Lisa Allen says:

    Good luck, Glen! Do you know yet when it will be on TV?

  3. Lisa Allen says:

    Ok, thanks. If they tell you the exact date it will be on please let us know.

  4. Lisle Blyth says:

    Best of luck Glen. We should all post the Inside Edition interview to further increase awareness when it’s flighted. After a quiet holiday season (as always, the Hum is back with a vengence here in South Africa). While searching for my swimming ear plugs to get slight relief yesterday afternoon, for the first time – after nearly five years of this brutal noise – I wondered if life is worth living. It’s a global health and human-rights issue! Please speak for us firmly and with conviction; people are suffering. I strongly suspect that there is a huge amount of money being made by businesses tied to this thing, so it’s in their interests to keep the Hum off world health officials’ radar – contamination, noise pollution and public safety.

    • Jess J says:

      Hi Lisa… just to clarify, when you write “after a quiet holiday season” do you mean that the Hum quietens down for you at times? It was mostly quiet here from Dec. 20th thru the 25th.

      • Lisa Allen says:

        Jess, There was no hum sound at all on Christmas day, and the days that followed I barely heard it. It is still pretty quiet compared to how loud it was before Christmas. Late at night it is slightly louder but not bad at all. I can, however, hear the pulsing through my pillow when I go to sleep but even that isn’t as intense. I don’t understand what causes the hum to change in volume but I am very thankful for this break. Is it louder now where you are? Where do you live if you don’t mind my asking? I am in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

  5. saymber says:

    I wish you the very best with this! May be in the course of major research and study, some explanation will come to the loud whale/trumpet-like noises being recorded around the world that seems to be coming from above as well.

  6. Good luck. Do you know if it will be aired in the UK?

  7. Melissa says:

    Good luck Glen! And thank you. You’ve developed great momentum, and I’m so grateful to you.

  8. Janet Menage says:

    Glen, until proven otherwise, I think the most likely hypothesis is Electrosensitivity. It affects the same percetage of the population as Hum-hearers (2-3%).It can cause auditory and sensory disturbance. It accounts for two people in the same bed hearing/feeling different things. It accounts for the difficulty/impossibility of making audio recordings of the Hum. It accounts for my ability to block the Hum by 90-100% by means of aluminium earplugs (noise-cancelling earphones switched off).
    The external auditory canal is a portal through which EMF can travel to the central nervous system, unobstructed by bone (calcium). Eyeball vibration can happen and this is another portal.
    One way to disprove this hypothesis would be to use an EMF meter at the same time that the Hum was being heard. If the EMF meter reads zero, the hypothesis is probably disproved.
    Best of luck with the show.

    • Lisa Allen says:

      Janet, I don’t know if this supports your theory or not, but in the 1980s when I was in a science museum in New York City, there was some kind of machine that measured electricity in your body. My boyfriend at the time did it and he was in the normal range. Then I tried it and the needle jumped all the way to the right, way out of range! I thought it was funny and weird at the time but that’s all. Now I wonder if that has anything to do with my ability to hear the hum.

    • I don’t concur, but until we have more solid evidence, I think it’s worthy of examination. Note: I think there is considerable evidence that EM does not directly cause the Hum, but as to the theory that certain types of EM exposure might cause damage that causes a subsequent Hum, I think that’s the more promising line of inquiry in the EM side of speculation. But, as I alluded to above, I am currently turning my attention to other theories.

  9. Janet Menage says:

    http://www.physiology.org/doi/10.1152/jappl.1962.17.4.689
    Electromagnetic radiation inducing sound in humans.

    • Janet –

      For me, your link is just to an abstract, with an offer to purchase the full pdf for $25. Have you seen the pdf?

      If others find the same paywall, the link here:

      http://www.smartmetereducationnetwork.com/uploads/health/GE%20Report-Human-Auditory-System-Response-to-Modulated-Electromagnetic-Energy-1962.pdf

      may be more agreeable. Does this work for others?

      There is also a 1973 paper in Science by Frey and Messenger that gives better detail (but probably also paywalled without an institutional account). The power densities they used for a positive result in their experiments far far exceeded the RF levels you might implicate for the Hum.

      Bernie

      • George G. says:

        Yep!

        Free download.

      • Janet Menage says:

        Bernie, I believe auditory and sensory disturbance has been reported in people who are Electrosensitive due to existing EM radiation in the environment. Perhaps it also depends on whether the EM radiation is pulsed. I haven’t read the original pdf as it was a secondary reference in another article on http://www.ES-UK. I’ve ordered the Summary book in case there’s more information there.

      • Janet –

        For me, the link you provided just above appears to go nowhere. So I don’t know what you were pointing out. Please advise.

        Keep in mind that the Frey paper is from 1962. At a peak power density of 275 mW/cm2 (for example, that would be a 345 watts transmitter at a 10 cm distance !), it would have been astounding if there were NOT a neurological reaction. Do you not agree?

        Unfortunately, there appears to be nothing here that is remotely related to the Hum.

        Bernie

      • Janet Menage says:

        Exactly, Bernie, it’s an unproven hypothesis. I will try to explain my thinking.
        As far as I’m aware, Deming postulated EM radiation as one possible source of the Hum, hence the steel Deming box.
        If the EM hypothesis has not yet been disproved, you need a mechanism by which EM triggers an auditory (& sensory) response in the human nervous system.
        It is known that EM has many effects on the human nervous system. The amount of EM radiation (?pulsed) in the environment has increased exponentially since the 1960s, and technology companies are not keen to put us off by explaining the health risks (although California’s mobile phone guidelines are a start).
        My hypothesis is that Electrosensitivity may be a mechanism by which an overload of environmental EM radiation causes the Hum/vibration to be sensed by some people.
        http://www.electrosensitivity.org.uk/states:-
        “Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity (ES) is an illness that is both highly controversial and little understood. The symptoms can vary a lot between sufferers, but will normally include some of the following: sleep disturbance, tiredness, depression, headaches, restlessness, irritability, concentration problems, forgetfulness, learning difficulties, frequent infections, blood pressure changes, limb and joint pains, numbness or tingling sensations, tinnitus, hearing loss, impaired balance, giddiness and eye problems. There have been reports of cardiovascular problems such as tachycardia, though these are relatively rare”.
        Internally generated tinnitus is usually high-pitched. My hypothesis would be that it need not necessarily be high-pitched and that it could be caused by external factors.
        Low, medium & high-pitched (frequency) tinnitus does exist:- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23141440
        As I say, this is an hypothesis which could explain phenomena such as, two people in the same bed hearing/feeling different things, & a prevalence in the population of 3%.
        I am electrosensitive, being intolerant of wi-fi (headache, brainfog, pressure in the ears), so my computer is cabled. I can feel the radiation coming from my mobile phone (like a warm tingling). Passing phone masts on the motorway causes the same wi-fi symptoms.
        http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/health/sensitivity.asp, states:-
        “Physicists at UC Berkeley [Jensen 2007] have produced the world’s smallest radio out of a single carbon nanotube that is 10,000 times thinner than a human hair. The nanotube absorbs the radio transmission and physically vibrates in response, like a tuning fork or the tiny hairlike structures inside the human ear. The multi-walled cylinders were better at picking up AM and FM transmissions and the single walled nanotubes were best for receiving the frequencies used in cell phones. It is interesting that the mechanism is by physical vibration of the nanotube in response to RF fields. This may give more pointers as to the bio-detection capability of the body, even at a cellular level and also may well invoke a bio-response”.
        I’m not trying to prove anything, it’s merely a theory to be disproved by anyone who can come up with relevant evidence.
        PS (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28723604 I don’t understand. Can anyone explain?)

      • Janet – good assembly of material. Thanks.

        It seems to me (?) that you are suggesting “electro-sensitivity” (ES) as a contributing factor to a susceptibility to “The Hum” while not necessarily being a “cause” in the sense of an EM signal driving, for example, a 56 Hz audio perception. Not at all impossible, but already indirect and very far from supported by evidence. The list of alleged symptoms sounds like those for a sugar-substitute or excessive video gaming, etc. Tough road.

        In contrast, the final reference (Frosch) you had questions about it completely different. Thanks for that.

        About a month ago Glen send me an earlier paper by Frosch from 2016:

        http://www.tinnitusjournal.com/articles/manifestations-of-a-lowfrequency-sound-of-unknown-origin-perceived-worldwide-also-known-as-the-hum-or-the-taos-hum.pdf

        of which, the 2017 paper you linked (pdf version here):

        http://www.tinnitusjournal.com/articles/possible-joint-involvement-of-the-cochlea-and-semicircular-canals-in-the-perception-of-lowfrequency-tinnitus-also-called-the-hum-o.pdf

        is a continuation.

        In both papers Frosch begins by accepting that “The Hum” IS an internally generated low-frequency tinnitus. He deals with research compiled from questionnaires, singling out three manifestations (diagnostics) of the phenomenon: (1) beating with external signals, (2) head rotation blocking, and (3) a multi-day pause following extensive air travel.

        Both papers read easily, although there are some issues of continuity, and I really do wonder how he managed to measure head rotations of 306 degrees/sec. I was hoping for some new details.
        Just below delineated by (*****) are my return comments to Glen by email:

        ****************************************
        Wed 12/20/2017, 12:56 PM

        Thanks for the tip on the 2016 Frosch paper – I had not seen that. A lot to agree with, but a lot of unanswered questions as well.

        I agree that the three issues: beating, head rotations, and air travel are diagnostic for the Hum as you and I understand it.

        BEATING: He is not clear on what beating he is discussing. For myself, when I play a real audio tone of 65 Hz against my 64 Hz Hum I do NOT hear a 1 Hz amplitude variation as a FIRST ORDER beat. I do hear a SECOND ORDER beating (subjective beating), which is very helpful in pitch matching. It is a bit subtle, but not annoying like the amplitude beats, and thusly indicates no superposition of two real audio signals. That is, the Hum does not mix in the air with the external reference audio. The phenomenon of subjective beating is significantly different.

        [To hear subjective beating, as an example, start up two instances of the online function generator. For me, the two signals add in the soundcard. Set one to 220 Hz (“A”) and the other to 221 Hz and you will hear the expected 1 Hz amplitude beat. Then set the second generator to 330 Hz (a musical “fifth” or “E” above the “A”) and the result is a perfectly smooth consonance as expected.

        Now, without stopping the second tone, change its frequency to 330.5 Hz and press play. You will hear some “effect” (wavering) cycling at 1 Hz. MUCH more subtle (not annoying) but nonetheless a clear indication of an imperfect small integer tuning ratio. The impression of “wavering”, but constant amplitude in this example, is essentially what I get with one audio signal and the Hum.]

        So it is not clear what Frosch’s beating observations mean.

        HEAD ROTATION: It is not clear if his finding on HR is the same as my head-shake interruptions – I tend to think so. But he here (and in his previous 2013 paper) does not state how a head was rotated in the experiment! I don’t mind shaking my own head, but doubt that I could concentrate on hearing (or not hearing) the hum if a machine were doing it! He does not say anywhere how soon the Hum returns.

        While the angular velocity of 306 degrees/second is noted, this is apparently head to shoulders and thus would hopefully be limited to a half-second before deceleration (and reveals?) would be necessary. Does he discount acceleration?

        AIR TRAVEL: I take the air-travel issue as highly significant and take it to indicate involvement of the middle ear due to pressure changes. He takes it to be the third pillar of his diagnosis. Unlike beating and head shaking however, it is not a test easily or quickly done/repeated. He does not say how many of his subjects had this opportunity, let alone experienced (or did not) this TLH. He says all three conditions occurred in only 7%.

        TAKE-AWAYS:

        (1) It would be interesting to have feedback (perhaps you have tried) from Frosch. For example, his summary of his work as a head-post on your site and his willingness to answer questions.
        (2) His point about head-rotation and semicircular canals is worth considering. (That is, vibrations in the canals as a source.) It makes sense that something associated with fluid motion would be interrupted by a head-shake. On the other hand, people getting off planes are annoyed by middle-ear problems, not issues of imbalance. Either (inner-ear or semicircular canals) indicate an internal source for the Hum).

        ************************************************
        Bernie

      • Janet Menage says:

        Bernie, I think we need to get away from the idea that the Hum is EITHER ‘External’ OR ‘Internal’, since it has probably never been recorded (says Glen), and Addenbrookes Hospital in the UK in the 1990s established that it had an external source.
        So, we need to postulate a connection between an ‘unrecordable’ external source and an internal, biological reaction to that source.
        eg: EM radiation -> Electrosensitive individual -> Low Frequency Tinnitus.
        Head-shaking, aeroplane travel, etc. may disrupt the internal reaction to the external trigger.
        Electrosensitivity is defined as a biological reaction to EM radiation (the syndrome of symptoms is well-established).
        There is evidence for a link between Electrosensitivity and tinnitus/sensory disturbance.
        There is scientific evidence that tinnitus can be low frequency. Interestingly, I found a tinnitus forum where sufferers seemed to be describing the Hum! – https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/very-loud-low-frequency-sound-in-my-left-ear-only-at-night-anyone-experienced-this.11888/
        (Not sure what you meant by “sugar-substitute or video games”?).
        As part of my research, I’d like to hear from any other Hum hearers who may be sensitive to wi-fi, phone masts, laptops, mobile phones etc.

      • Thanks Janet.

        (1) You said: “….and Addenbrookes Hospital in the UK in the 1990s established that it had an external source.”
        Do you have a source for this statement? Badly needed.

        (2) You also said: “Head-shaking, aeroplane travel, etc. may disrupt the internal reaction to the external trigger.”

        This would involve the SUPPOSITION of transducers/demodulators and compatible switching mechanisms not in evidence. A chain of already unlikely events (a “Just So” story). This I have discussed (see Fig. 4 for a brief version):

        http://electronotes.netfirms.com/ENWN41.pdf

        (3) You also said with regard to ES “. . . . (the syndrome of symptoms is well-established). . . .”

        Really? It looks to me like a litany of numerous vague and prosaic indications. You yourself (Jan 15 at 5:15 AM) said about ES: “The symptoms can vary a lot between sufferers, but will normally include some of the following: sleep disturbance, tiredness, depression, headaches, restlessness, irritability, concentration problems, forgetfulness, learning difficulties, frequent infections, blood pressure changes, limb and joint pains, numbness or tingling sensations, tinnitus, hearing loss, impaired balance, giddiness and eye problems.”

        You forgot athletes foot! What good is this? That’s why I joked about sugar substitutes and video gaming. (Alas, through personal experience, I should have added “old age”!)

        Bernie

      • Janet Menage says:

        Bernie, have a look at what the Swedish government are doing with regard to providing practical assistance for victims of electrosensitivity.
        There’s plenty of good quality research out there if you care to look.

      • Janet –

        You said: “….and Addenbrookes Hospital in the UK in the 1990s established that it had an external source.”

        I do not find you have provided a source here. Why would you make such a statement? We need to see this addressed.

        Bernie

      • Janet Menage says:

        David Baguley, Head of Addenbrookes Hospital audiology department is reported to have excluded tinnitus as a cause of the Hum, stating that in 1/3 of the cases a simple external explanation can be found. In 2/3rds of cases there’s no obvious external source, but the Hum sufferer (he believes) has become focussed on some kind of innocuous external noise which the brain then enhances in some way. ‘Treatment’ is based on CBT to help the patient focus on it less and be less anxious about it.
        http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/have-you-heard-the-hum-mystery-of-earths-low-droning-noise-could-now-be-solved-10182111.html
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8056284.stm
        http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1057641

    • Peter Haartsen says:

      Janet, thank you for opening this line of further thinking. This read demands real attention, but it offers me, and I guess all of us, the opportunity to get a better idea of what hearing the hum is all about.

  10. Melissa2 says:

    Hoping we will find a way to stop it. Before it stops us.

    • George G. says:

      Melissa2,

      Hum’s been trying to stop me for 42 years.

      It cannot, it’s just a big useless toothless tiger.

      Don’t fear it, laugh at at, and you will soon learn it’s not the boss—

      You are!

  11. ladymozart says:

    Wishing you and the project all of the luck or whatever it takes to raise it to the next level of awareness and research. Thank you for all that you have done and continue to do.

  12. DARLENE NOSEWORTHY says:

    great! wishing you luck! I truly hope some answers come out of this – I’ve been a sufferer for 5+years now – living in Toronto Canada thanks!!!

  13. Eva Fishman says:

    You’re right, Glen, this is a big opportunity. I’m confident in your ability to articulate how the HUM has impacted those of us who experience (and suffer from) it.
    I hope the interviewers are every bit as competent and ask the right questions, and don’t try to create an atmosphere of skepticism, or dilute/blow-off the scientific evidence gathered so far, based on scientific methodology etc.
    I can’t wait to watch the program: I can DVR it, but would it also be possible to put a link in here so it can be forwarded to others?
    Eva

  14. George G. says:

    Janet,
    Regarding pubmed/2872360
    I have glanced at it and feel it’s well worth studying further.
    Good find.
    Hope to get back to you as soon as fully understand the reports.

  15. Harvey Wolfson says:

    I have rejected the hypothesis of electrosensitivity, as I haven’t seen any credible evidence for its existence. Indeed, and to the contrary, it’s my view (although admittedly, I haven’t reviewed a lot of research) that electrosensitivity is in the same category as homeopathy and much naturopathic medicine, in that it is pseudoscience. Because I am skeptical by nature and I am also a hum hearer, I tend to think that there is an objective internal cause. Perhaps it is based on some sort of internal sensitivity, but I am reluctant to accept that there is something within me that is “abnormal”. I realize that I am rambling and going in veritable circles, but I really have nothing more to offer. Glen, I really hope that the cause of this phenomenon will be discovered soon. Best of luck in your quest. Let us know when the Inside Edition show will be broadcast.

  16. George G. says:

    Janet & Bernie,

    Please follow me to the thread “Let’s review:——.”

    Thanks.

  17. Gail Hewitt says:

    Please let us know when. My husband (ex-NASA spaceprogram employee) has listened to this program for the last ten years. Somebody has to know more than we have heard about here. Good luck. I would sure like to hear this one!

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